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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 3:18 am    Post subject: Online Study Reply with quote

What are good online study courses about ancient Egypt for an undergraduate? It does not have to be a free course, I am not concerned about pricing.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 1:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Online Study Reply with quote

Nefer-Ankhe wrote:
What are good online study courses about ancient Egypt for an undergraduate? It does not have to be a free course, I am not concerned about pricing.


I am not aware of any undergraduate level coursework in Egyptology, but I know of several people who have taken the Certificate in Egyptology from the University of Manchester. This is the course description from their site:

This 3 year programme provides opportunity for serious, academic study of Egyptology at one of the leading Universities in the U.K. It is led by an internationally recognised scholar and draws upon the important Egyptological collections of the University's Museum and Library. This well-established and highly regarded Certificate has been completely revised and restructured for delivery on-line via the Blackboard Virtual e-learning platform. The new format will provide stimulating and attractive learning materials, opportunity for structured study of museum collections, tutor support and contact with other students through online discussion groups and discussion boards.

This will not give you an undergraduate degree, but it will give you access to top scholars in the field of Egyptology who are teaching the course. I have heard this course gives you a broad range of history, language, art history, and so on. It is said to be a very good structured programme for those interested in Egyptology, but have neither the time nor wherewithal to dedicate themselves to full-time study in Egyptology at a university.

It is not inexpensive, however. For 2014-15, the fee is £1,750 GBP/$2,936 USD (which can be paid in 3 instalments). It also usually has a waiting list, as applications open in April of the preceding year and close on June 30 (so, you have missed it for this coming academic year).

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, thank you Neseret, do you know the requirements of such course? School achievements and degree for example, if needed?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ok, thank you Neseret, do you know the requirements of such course? School achievements and degree for example, if needed?


There is an application online which asks for the applicant for his student level as part of the application. I saw no statement for required study levels of applicants.

For the Certificate, you are asked to answer two essay questions:

(1) Why does Egyptology interest you?

(2) When you watch television programmes, consult the internet, read books or encounter new theories about Ancient Egypt you have to make judgements about the information presented. How do you decide what to believe?


Your response must be between 300-500 words. I would think they use these responses as part of their selection process (how well you write, your actual response, etc.), but otherwise I see no specific requirements for entry.

I have also just realised they offer a Diploma in Egyptology as well, and the prerequisite for that is the Certificate in Egyptology. Here the fees are a bit more expensive: for 2014-15 the fees will be £2,625 UKP/$4,407 USD. However, once again, neither will lead you to a degree in Egyptology, which would mean full-time attendance at class at a university level.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would assume full time attendance in such a University would require a high, school achievements? Something of which I do not posses. Plus I'm in an entirely different country. The only Egyptology university in Australia is Macquarie and it's required ATAR (Australian Tertiary Admission Rank) is 98 IMO very high ATAR.
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I would assume full time attendance in such a University would require a high, school achievements? Something of which I do not posses. Plus I'm in an entirely different country. The only Egyptology university in Australia is Macquarie and it's required ATAR (Australian Tertiary Admission Rank) is 98 IMO very high ATAR.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nefer-Ankhe wrote:
I would assume full time attendance in such a University would require a high, school achievements? Something of which I do not posses. Plus I'm in an entirely different country. The only Egyptology university in Australia is Macquarie and it's required ATAR (Australian Tertiary Admission Rank) is 98 IMO very high ATAR.


Depends upon which university you want to attend, as is the case in the States, and I suspect even Australia. The UK has 8 universities which have degrees in Egyptology and/or Egyptian archaeology (there is a difference, as the latter usually does not require familiarity with the language and so on). (Australia has 2 universities which teach about Egyptian archaeology and/or Egyptology - Macquarie and Monash universities, while the US has about 10 universities and Germany, 16).

What you do need is the desire, adequate training or involvement in secondary classes (or later acquired training) which would help you get through study in Egyptology/Egyptian archaeology. I don't think it requires necessarily passage of certain tests to get into all of these universities. My training in the field started officially very late, but my perseverance in learning the language and everything I needed to know about ancient Egypt started from my own personal studies many years before.

As the Theban Mapping Project (online), noted:

Most full-time Egyptological jobs require that you have a Ph.D. in Egyptology, or be well on your way toward obtaining one. Training in Egyptology for a doctoral degree can take at least eight years of university, both undergraduate and graduate programs, and often much longer. Many university programs offer the opportunity to specialize either in Egyptian language or in art and archaeology of ancient Egypt. If you are studying at a university that allows you to specialize either in archaeology or Egyptian language you should take some courses in both fields regardless of the field in which you ultimately decide to specialize.

For high school students interested in becoming Egyptologists, you should learn French and German if available, take history and other humanities classes, and get a good grounding in sciences, computing, and courses to improve your writing and research skills, in short, take all the college prep courses you can. This will depend a great deal on what is available in your local high school system. Read all that you can get on various aspects of ancient Egypt and the ancient Near East, including history, archaeology, art, religion and literature.

At university, as an undergraduate, you should follow a liberal arts program. Very few universities offer undergraduate degrees in Egyptology, but such a degree is not required for those wishing to do a higher degree in Egyptology. However, at an undergraduate level, courses in art history, particularly ancient art will be helpful. You should also take courses in social sciences, especially ancient history, anthropology and archaeology. Some universities offer interdisciplinary programs in area studies and if the Eastern Mediterranean is offered in such a program it is a good way to get a wide range of background courses complimentary to Egyptology.

Languages form the foundation of any Egyptologist's knowledge: a reading knowledge of French and German are essential for advanced research in Egyptology, and you should take courses in these languages if you do not already have these skills. If you hope to eventually do archaeological work in Egypt, learning Arabic, either the classical form or the Egyptian dialect, will help. Greek or another ancient Near Eastern language may also be helpful for those interested in comparative work or specializing in the later periods of ancient Egyptian history.

Egyptologists specialize either in language or archaeology, although all must take at least some courses in both areas. As a specialist in the ancient Egyptian language, you will need to take courses in the various forms of the language (Old, Middle and Late Egyptian in both hieroglyphic and hieratic scripts, Demotic, and Coptic). If you decide to specialize in Egyptian archaeology, courses on art and architecture of ancient Egypt in different periods will be needed. Having some training in another specialty of use to archaeology can often increase your marketability, so consider learning surveying, photography, or drawing.


So, you don't have to have a very high rating to start off in Egyptology, but it certainly helps to have a wide variety of skills which can be applied to the field, should you get so involved. You most certainly have to have the stamina and desire to complete your required work.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What would you suggest I do then Neseret? I am 5 weeks away from completing high school, but I do not have ANY outstanding school achievements. Such courses listed are not available at my school, they have very basic classes here, however I do read/study ancient Egypt as much as possible, as mentioned.

The online course you have recommended, takes five years approximately to get a diploma, what can be achieved through this diploma? Could I then go on to an actual university and study for a degree in Egyptology? I'm literally starting from the bottom here aha.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nefer-Ankhe wrote:
What would you suggest I do then Neseret? I am 5 weeks away from completing high school, but I do not have ANY outstanding school achievements. Such courses listed are not available at my school, they have very basic classes here, however I do read/study ancient Egypt as much as possible, as mentioned.

The online course you have recommended, takes five years approximately to get a diploma, what can be achieved through this diploma? Could I then go on to an actual university and study for a degree in Egyptology? I'm literally starting from the bottom here aha.


Hello. I see nobody has replied. I am from Australia also! And coincidently will be undertaking my first year of University study next year as a mature aged student. I hope I can be of some help.

Firstly I would recommend talk to a career guidance councillor at your school and see what options you have.

Secondly if you have no outstanding school achievements perhaps you would be better to not complete Year 12 this year and instead go on next year and complete the Year 12 tertiary equivalent at Tafe. It has less subjects which would allow you to possibly achieve better results. At Tafe your results don't have any affect on anyone elses and this may give you more confidence and lead to better results that would enable you to qualify for the Macquarie University Egyptology course. I looked for the course you described but couldn't find it, can you provide a link to it. Although if you do decide to go to Tafe next year find out all the information about what fees you will be charged as I am unsure when the fees are changing as I know the government will not be subsidising Tafe at some point in the future.

If you have not outstanding results what about doing a Bachelor of Arts at a University with a low enterance rank as they have many options to choose from that you can specialise in from languages to Anthropology and use that degree to go onto an Egyptology degree later? I am unsure if this is possible but perhaps it may be a way of getting your foot in the door. You should confrim this with a University.

I see the Macquarie University Bachelor of Ancient History. Is this what you are looking at?

http://courses.mq.edu.au/undergraduate/degree/bachelor-of-ancient-history

If you have your heart set on the Macquarie Egyptology course why not see if they accept Tafes tertiary Year 12 equivalent and find out what subjects they require you to take for the course and then study them at Tafe next year and achieve really high results which would give you a high ATR and allow you to gain entry to the couse directly? With Tafe you can also sit the STAT test which boots your rank even more. Before doing anything at Tafe make sure the subjects you are doing will allow you to qualify for the Macquaire course and also make sure you know what rank (Tafes ATR equivalent) you will be getting at the end depending on if you get pass/credit/ honours so you know what to aim for while your studying. No use getting passes if you need all credits.

Also look at different Universities, such as James Cook University.

I feel I must tell you that undertaking a Bachelor of Arts Degree will unfortunately leave you will very few career prospects. Everyone I know who did a Bachelor of Arts ended up having to do further study later on to qualify for another field. Have you ever thought of doing a Science/ Engineering degree. They give you many varied career prospects that will lead to stable career opportunities into the future. Sorry but I had to say that as I don't want you to think getting a job with a Bachelor of Arts/ Bachelor of Egyptology will be easy, because it won't. A lot of people with these degrees are still flipping burgers years after graduating.

However because their is so much of AE that is yet to be discovered I think from that perspective it could be a viable career option if your motivated to pursue it. I can completely understand how your interested in learning the AE language and think if your motivated you will beable to make the degree lead to a fulfilling career later on down the road. Also with all the insider contacts in the Egyptology field you have available to you on this forum I think you have a better prospect as achieving a fulfilling career in Egyptology.

Coincidently I was thinking of doing a similar degree, but instead focusing on learning the Mayan language. However I decided to pursue a Engineering Degree instead as I am tired of working in retail and worrying about money all the time.

I think whatever you are happy doing, and if you set your mind to it, nothing can stop you from reaching great heights in your chosen field of study. Good luck!
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On second thoughts I won't bother doing Engineering. I just don't enjoy the maths. Yeah I know it's supposed to be creative and all that but it doesn't feel like it. Think I will just settle for something comfortable and that I know I will pass. I say go for that Egyptology course or a BA and specialise in Ancient History or something similar, as thats most likely what I will do also. I don't need much money to survive, so have given up the dream of ever being rich. I started from the bottom and worked my way up, so if I can do it anybody can. Will admit I reached the lowest point of my life in the last two years, thats why I have been using the internet as an escape and talking rubbish, hopefully it can only be up from here on.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nefer-Ankhe wrote:
Ok, thank you Neseret, do you know the requirements of such course? School achievements and degree for example, if needed?

Hello, Nefer-Ankhe! I have studied the Certificate in Egyptology with the University of Manchester online, and I can say that you don't really need much prior knowledge; more a healthy interest. The first three years are an introduction really, and, though I haven't done the Diploma yet (the final two years), I am told that it becomes much more involved then. You can study with them from lots of different countries, so you shouldn't have a problem there, and you can continue the course to a degree level at Manchester or Liverpool universities at the present time.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

University of Glasgow offers the Cert & DiplomaHE Egyptology. Some of the courses are available online and they are working on bringing more online in the near future if that helps. http://www.gla.ac.uk/study/short/
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2016 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"The Penn Museum Provides Setting, Collections for New Open Access Online Courses on Ancient Egypt"

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"World-Renowned Egyptologist David Silverman, Museum Curator and Penn Professor, Leads Complementary Courses

Beginning October 31, anyone in the world with access to a laptop, tablet, or smart phone can take this course: "Introduction to Ancient Egypt and Its Civilization" with Dr. David Silverman, the Eckley Brinton Coxe, Jr. Professor of Egyptology, University of Pennsylvania, Curator-in-Charge of the Egyptian Section at the Penn Museum, and one of the world’s foremost Egyptologists—via the online open learning platform, Coursera. The course, produced by the University of Pennsylvania, is available in English and subtitled in English. The cost of participating: free ($49 for those who choose to earn a certificate of completion).

With several weeks to go before the new course begins, more than 20,000 people have already signed up. After the course kicks off, it will be offered anew each month—giving ever more learners fresh opportunities to fit the program into their schedules. ..."

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