Egyptian Dreams

[Lost Pharaoh]

During my work I stumbled on word for Apep, dangerous snake of the Underworld. As I noticed, the hieroglyph for Apep is a snake with crown of the Lower Egypt. Is there any explanation or significance of that?


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[Lutz]

[Lost Pharaoh]

I found it in Faulkner's dictionary:



And on the Projet Rosette website:



But now, when I look better it could be the knife represented in Faulkner's dictionary,and that the Projet Rosette get it wrong. I can't found reference mentioned in the Faulkner's dictionary - BD 2,16 and BD 29,6 and TR 35,1.
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[Medjay Archer]

Indeed, Lutz is right about the fact putting knives on demons is an apotropaic method to weaken them. Even in hieroglyphic representations.

From Robert Ritner, The Mechanics of Ancient Egyptian Magical Practice, p.163 (or p.181 for PDF pagination).
Ritner summarily studies the subject of knives with many references (he gives a lot them).

Here's an excerpt:


I recommend the reading of this book. It is quite good despite cumbersome. I made a big step in the understanding of magical practices and significances of AE religion and culture thanks to this thesis.

Anyways, it is possible it was a knife piercing Apep's head and it was confused to something else such as the Deshret/Red Crown of Lower Egypt.
Just look at your thread about god Xenus to end up it was the commonly known Khonsu of the Theban triad. Even among specialists, errata or misinterpretations aren't impossible. I've seen many while looking in depth for several stelae.

Nonetheless, if there is one case of determinative of Apep with the red crown, I would also like to know the significance. For Seth, that occurred to wear the crown (such as Old Kingdom smA-TAwy representations). He was brother of Osiris, it made sense. For Apep, there, I don't see the sense.
Still, anecdoctically, Sobek was worshipped in the Fayyum region while despised everywhere else in Egypt because the Fayyum region had many crocodiles and people thought there were the "avatars" (i.e. ka) of Sobek. Hence, Sobek became a tutelary god. Perhaps, Apep was a tutelary god somewhere albeit I highly doubt it.
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[Lost Pharaoh]

Great reference Thank you Medjay Archer!

About the symbol. If you look better, you can see that the original Apep hieroglyph (one that Lutz posted) has a knives stabbed with the blade in direction of snake tail, but on the Faulkner's (if it is a knife and not a crown) it is rotated to the opposite. Probably some variation on the subject.

If I can only found that word in references mentioned in Faulkner's dictionary, I could check is that hieroglyph really exist. Hope someone will have better luck.

Budge, The Book of Dead. 2,16 and 29,6.
and
Lacau, Textes religieux égyptiens, 35,1.
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[Lutz]

[Lost Pharaoh]

Here is my vision how it should like this from Faulkner's book:



I agree that people from Projet Rosette probably made a mistake.
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[Lutz]

The books from Budge : The Chapters of Coming Forth by Day or, The Theban Recension of the Book of the Dead - The Egyptian Hieroglyphic Text (1910) are online... I , II & III.

Also the "Recueil de travaux relatifs à la philologie et à l'archéologie égyptiennes et assyriennes" and as well on "Archive Org.".

Greetings, Lutz.
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[Lutz]

"Lacau, Textes religieux égyptiens, 35,1"

Greetings, Lutz.
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[Lutz]

Following "Thesaurus Linguae Aegyptiae -> Digitalisiertes Zettelarchiv" are for this determinative both writings (with or without knife) assigned countless times, from the FIP to the Roman Period...



Greetings, Lutz.
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[Lost Pharaoh]

Ah, as I tought Thank you for clarification Lutz. You are better finder of literature than me, that is obvious.

I like to see the source if I have doubts about some rare hieroglyph. One thing is certain - I should not believe 100% to the Projet Rossete.
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"To speak the names of the dead is to make them live again."

[Lost Pharaoh]

As I can see here is the knife stabbed in the body, not in head. One more version of the hieroglyph.
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[Aset]

TLA:
document DZA 21.662.880
document DZA 21.662.950
document DZA 21.662.970
document DZA 21.663.130
document DZA 21.663.220
document DZA 21.663.280
document DZA 21.663.420
...and so on...

Aset
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[Lost Pharaoh]

Thank you Aset, very much
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"To speak the names of the dead is to make them live again."

[Aset]

Nakhtamon (TT 335)

Aset
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