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wait, so the geese painting from Nefermaat's tomb is a fake?

 
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 6:25 am    Post subject: wait, so the geese painting from Nefermaat's tomb is a fake? Reply with quote

NBC has a recent story about it. What do you think? Too many stories around claiming ancient Egyptian art is fake.

http://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/egypts-famous-meidum-geese-painting-may-be-fake-n333491

Either too many people are jealous or Mariette trolled everyone when he discovered Nefermaat's tomb.

Isn't there a book about Mariette's findings to look at the initial source?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"The Topographical Bibliography of Ancient Egyptian Hieroglyphic Texts, Statues, Reliefs and Paintings - Porter & Moss"

III : Memphis I - Abu Rawash to Abusir (1974), page 183 :



Auguste Mariette : Les mastabas de l'Ancien Empire : fragment du dernier ouvrage de A. Mariette. - Paris : Vieweg, 1889. - 592 p., 2 pl. (PDF, 22 MB)

George A. Reisner : A History of the Giza Necropolis 1. - Cambridge, MA : Harvard University Press, 1942. (PDF, 250 MB)

Jan Borkowski : Mastaba of Neferma'at and Itet - Report of the Polish-Egyptian Restoration Mission, 1986-1988. - In: Ali El-Khouli : Meidum. - [The Australian Centre for Egyptology Reports 3]. - Sidney, 1991. - pp. 22 - 34 :
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The present volume contains the results of work conducted since 1984 in the area of the northwest corner of the pyramid and on the mastaba of Nefermaat and Itet. Ali el-Khouli reports on the archaeological work at Meidum in general, which concerns a clearing of the debris around the pyramid, restoration works in the IVth Dynasty mastaba No. 16 of Nefermaat and Itet. A concise catalogue of relief fragments and objects found is given. On the one hand, they derive from the excavation of the mastaba (object nos. 1-47); on the other from the clearance of the mortuary temple of the pyramid (nos. 48-51). Paule Posener studies the graffiti of quarrymen and masons on the revetment blocks of the pyramid. From the dates it appears that the work at Meidum was practically contemporary with the work at Dahshur-North, and took likewise place during all seasons. One of the graffiti found at Meidum leaves no doubt that the regnal years of king Snofru should be increased to about 34-35 years at least. At the end of the contribution a list of the graffiti, of which the main groups are those with dates and with names of or signs for phyles. Borkowski and Majcherek report on the Polish-Egyptian restoration mission at work in the mastaba. The primary objective was to conserve large parts of the walls and plastering. Research on the building history and its plan was done, and laboratory and compressive strength tests were carried out. Edwin Brock compares the reconstruction by Smith of the composition of scenes in the mastaba with fragments still in situ found by him and not noticed by Smith. Angela Jones divides the pottery found at the pyramid and at the mastaba in four chronological groups: O.K.; late S.I.P. to early N.K.; late N.K. to early T.I.P.; Coptic.


Yvonne Harpur : The Tombs of Nefermaat and Rahotep at Maidum - Discovery, Destruction and Reconstruction. - Oxford : 2001. - 366p., 78 pl.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Lutz. This information is amazing. If I had a euro for everytime I found a book because of a reference you posted on this forum...

Thanks again.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EEF - News (868) - 09.04.2015 :

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Two press reports with critical responses to the recent theory that the famous 'Meidum Geese' tomb painting would be fake:
http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/126823.aspx

"(..) "We cannot prove the forgery of this painting unless we use state-of-the-art scientific studies which were totally absent in Tiradritti’s research,” director of the Egyptian Museum Mahmoud Alhalwagi told Ahram Online, adding that modern scientific technique could also determine the date when the painting was created. Alhalwagi says that the antiquities ministry will use the the required advanced technique to respond to Tiradritti’s “lies” with scientific results. Islam Ezzat a restorer at the Egyptian Museum, said that specialised equipment could be used to determine the correct date of the painting without taking a sample. “Electron spin resonance is the perfect technique to determine the age of the Meidum Geese painting,” Ezzat said.
Tarek Tawfik, the director of the Grand Egyptian Museum which overlooks Giza Plateau, told Ahram Online that “until now there was no reason to doubt the authenticity of the Meidum Geese.”
The painting, he continued, is a part of a larger scene inside the mastaba tomb of Nefermaat who was known to be fond of innovation. Proof of the authenticity of the painting, argued Tawfik, is that the upper limit of the painting bears the remains of the rest of the scene found on the wall of the mastaba tomb, which shows the feet of hunters who are chasing geese and ducks with nets. (..)"
http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/veteran-egyptologist-defends-authenticity-egyptian-mona-lisa

"(..) Zahi Hawas refuted Tiradritti’s claim that the grass-feeding geese depicted in the painting was a species not present in Egypt. “The geese seen in the painting were discovered in Saqqara, Abusir and Giza”, Hawas wrote in Al-Masry Al-Youm. “Scenes depicting animals in the Delta jungles were common in the tombs from the Old Kingdom and pyramids, until the age of King Saho Raa, the second king of the Fifth Dynasty," he adds. "The painting’s theme is genuinely Egyptian, with the symmetry and duality best known in Egyptian art”, Hawas said, adding that “the grass eaten by the geese can also bee seen on the walls of other Old Kingdom tombs.” (..)"
http://www.thecairopost.com/news/145516/topnews/meidum-geese-authentic-zahi-hawaas

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