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Chepses
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 Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:05 pm Post subject: Ancient Egypt and Christianity |
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Since I'm currently working on a paper about similarities between Christianity and Ancient Egyptian religion and some influence the latter may had had on the first, can you help me regarding bibliography? Until now I acquired the following books:
Allen, James P. – Genesis in Egypt: The Philosophy of Ancient Egyptian Creation Accounts
Assmann, Jan – Moses the Egyptian. The memory of Egypt in Western Monotheism
Assmann, Jan – Of God and Gods. Egypt, Israel and the Rise of Monotheism
Assmann, Jan – The Price of Monotheism
ElSebaie, Sherine M. – The Destiny of the World: A Study on the End of the Universe in the Light of Ancient Egyptian Texts
Matthews, Victor H. – Old Testament Parallels: Laws and Stories from the Ancient Near East
Osman, Ahmed – Christianity: An Ancient Egyptian Religion
Sayce, A. A. – Race in Ancient Egypt and the Old Testament
Sharpe, Samuel – Egyptian Mythology and Egyptian Christianity
I don't know if it's enough, I don't know if the information on them is good and reliable, i.e., supported by archaeology and historical facts, and I feel really lost. Any help is welcome  |
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Ikon
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As so many of the contentions in this subject revolve around the Amarna period, then I suggest adding to your list "Akhenaten and the Religion of Light" by Erik Hornung. This is not about Christianity in Egypt, but a solid understanding of Akhenaten as is possible with the available evidence is essential. Also of help may be "Akhenaten, history and fantasy in Ancient Egypt" by Dominic Montserrat.
I would avoid any book by Ahmed Osman as he is a fringe author dealing with fantasy, IMO. However, and I know this is very contentious and raises peoples hate levels depending on their own religious beliefs, I would read "Christ in Egypt" by D.M.Murdock, were she contends that Christ is Horus. There is a lot of nonsense that any professional Egyptologist will laugh at, but she does point out some real similarities, such as the Isis/Horus - Mary/Jesus iconography, and the book does at least specifically address the subject and can be used as a sort of road map to specific points of interest/contention that can then be followed up in more scholarly works. |
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neseret
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Your may wish to review my online Power Point presentation on the influence of ancient Egyptian religion on today's modern religions (primarily Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, with a discussion on Hermetic philosophy).
It is at academia.edu:
Ancient Egyptian Religious Influence On Modern Religions
I also possess a bibliography that went with the presentation. You can private message me if you would like a copy (I will need your direct e-mail address to send).
HTH.
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dzama923
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| Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:11 pm Post subject: another book |
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| Out of Egypt by Ahmed Osman is another good one of his books not listed above, giving evidence of Christian roots in Egypt. |
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Lutz
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 6:39 am Post subject: Re: another book |
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[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Osman_(author)]Ahmed Osman[/url] gives no evidence, he is telling ferry-tales ...
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leiza
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| Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 11:05 am Post subject: Re: another book |
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| dzama923 wrote: | | Out of Egypt by Ahmed Osman is another good one of his books not listed above, giving evidence of Christian roots in Egypt. |
Thanks, i was actually thinking of buying one of his books.
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neseret
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| Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:33 pm Post subject: Re: another book |
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| leiza wrote: | | dzama923 wrote: | | Out of Egypt by Ahmed Osman is another good one of his books not listed above, giving evidence of Christian roots in Egypt. |
Thanks, i was actually thinking of buying one of his books. |
I wouldn't: Osman tends to interpret a great deal of things with absolutely NO evidence, but makes it seem plausible by making strained (and outlandish) comparisons of one religion to another, which have no basis in fact.
I would save my money and buy some of the other works suggested in the first comment to this thread, as they have more scholarship and evidence for their theories.
I also suggest the following, which I used on making my Power Point presentation (noted above) on the "Ancient Egyptian Religious Influence On Modern Religions":
Assmann, J. 2001. The Search for God in Ancient Egypt. D. Lorton, transl. Ithaca: Cornell University Press.
__________. 1997. Moses the Egyptian: The Memory of Egypt in Western Monotheism. Cambridge/London: Harvard University Press.
__________. 1994. Ocular desire in a time of darkness: Urban festivals and divine visibility in Ancient Egypt. In A. R. E. Agus and J. Assmann, Eds., Ocular Desire: Sehnsucht des Auges: 13-29. Yearbook for Religious Anthropology/Jahrbuch für Religiöse Anthropologie. Berlin: Akademie Verlag.
Brandon, S. G. F. 1970. Redemption in Ancient Egypt and Early Christianity. In R. J. Z. Werblowski and C. J. Bleeker, eds., Types of Redemption. Contributions to the Theme of the Study-Conference Held at Jerusalem 14th to 19th July 1968: 36-45. Studies in History of Religions (Supplements to Numen) 18. Leiden, E. J. Brill.
Bresciani, E. 1981. Dall'Egitto ellenistico all'Egitto cristiano: l'eredità faraonica. In XXVIII Corso di Culture sull'arte Ravennate a Bizantina. Ravenna, 26 aprile / 8 maggio 1981: 21-30. Ravenna: Edizioni del Girasole.
Brunner, H. 1988. Das hörende Herz. Kleine Schriften zur Religions- und Geistesgeschichte Ägyptens. Orbis Biblicus et Orientalis, 80. Freiburg Schweiz: Universitätsverlag / Göttingen, Vandenhoeck & Ruprecht.
Brunner-Traut, E. 1981. Gelebte Mythen. Beiträge zum altägyptischen Mythos. Darmstadt: Wissenschaftliche Buchgesellschaft.
Carcenac Pujol, C-B. 1987. Jesús, 3.000 años antes de Cristo: un Faraón llamado Jesús. Esplugues de Llobregat (Barcelona): Plaza & Janés.
Cramer, M. 1955. Das altägyptische Lebenszeichen im christlichen (koptischen) Ägypten. Eine kultur- und religionsgeschichtliche Studie auf archäologischer Grundlage. Dritte neu bearbeitete und erweiterte Auflage. Wiesbaden: Otto Harrassowitz.
Doresse, J. 1960. Des hiéroglyphes à la croix. Ce que le passé pharaonique a légué au Christianisme. Uitgaven van het Nederlands Historisch-Archaeologisch Instituut te İstanbul VII. İstanbul: Nederlands Historisch-Archaeologisch Instituut in het Nabije Oosten.
Dubler, C. E. 1963. Altägyptische Miszellen im Islam. Asiatische Studien/Etudes Asiatiques (Bern) 16: 107-124.
Griffiths, J. G. 1996. Triads and Trinity. Cardiff: University of Wales Press.
___________. 1994. Divine Judgement in the Hermetic Writings. In C. Eyre, A. Leahy and L. M. Leahy, Eds., The Unbroken Reed. Studies in the Culture and Heritage of Ancient Egypt in Honour of A.F. Shore: 125-137. Occasional Publications 11. London: Egypt Exploration Society.
___________. 1991. The Divine Verdict. A Study of Divine Judgement in the Ancient Religions. Studies in the History of Religions (Supplement to Numen) 52. Leiden: Brill.
___________. 1974. The Divine Tribunal. An Inaugural Lecture delivered at the University College of Swansea on 3 December, 1974. [Swansea]: University College of Swansea.
Gross, K. 1985. Menschenhand und Gotteshand in Antike und Christentum. Stuttgart: Anton Hiersemann Verlag.
Hallock, F. H. 1934. Christianity and the old Egyptian religion. ER 2: 6-17.
Hammerschmidt, E. 1957. Altägyptische Elemente im koptischen Christentum. Ostkirchliche Studien (Würzburg) 6: 233-250.
Hornung, E. 1982. Conceptions of God in Ancient Egypt: The One and the Many. J. Baines, transl. Ithaca: Cornell University Press.
_________. 2001. The Secret Lore of Egypt: Its Impact on the West. D. Lorton, transl. Ithaca: Cornell University Press.
Lanczkowski, G. 1955. Zur äthiopischen Madonnenverehrung. Zeitschrift für Kirchengeschichte (Stuttgart) Vierte Folge IV. LXVI. Band (1954/55): 25-38.
Michaïldis, G. 1976. Introduction à une étape de l'aventure humaine de l'Atonisme au Christianisme. BSAC 22: 87-144.
Morenz, S. 1964. Ägyptische Spuren in den Septuaginta. In Mullus. Festschrift Theodor Klauser: 250-258. Jahrbuch für Antike und Christentum, Ergänzungsband 1. Münster: Aschendorffsche Verlagsbuchhandlung.
_________. 1973 (1960). Egyptian Religion. A. E. Keep. Ithaca: Cornell University Press.
Rees, B. R. 1950. Popular Religion in Graeco-Roman Egypt, II. The Transition to Christianity. JEA 36: 86-100.
Scholz, P. O. 1993. Die Kontinuität des Altägyptischen in der Ikonizität und Theologie des Orientalischen Christentums. In VI Congresso Internationale di Egittologia Atti: 471-477. Turin: International Association of Egyptologists.
Tran Tam Tinh, V. 1982. Sarapis and Isis. In Ben F. Meyer and E. P. Sanders, eds., Jewish and Christian Self-definition, 3: Self-definition in the Graeco-Roman World: 101-117. London: SCM Press Ltd.
Witt, R. E. 1971. Isis in the Ancient World. Baltimore/London: John Hopkins University Press.
Zandee, J. 1955. De descensus ad inferos bij de Kopten. Nederlands Theologisch Tijdschrift (Wageningen) Jaargang 9, Aflevering 3 (Februari 1955): 158-174.
_______. 1960. Death as an Enemy According to Ancient Egyptian Conceptions. Studies in the History of Religions (Supplements to Numen) 5. W. F. Klasens. Leiden: Brill.
Zuntz, D. 1929. Eine Vorstufe der "Madonna lactans". Berliner Museen 50: 32-35.
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