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Nicholas Reeves : The Burial of Nefertiti? (2015)
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, KV62.

What has happened? No resources, no discipline, no regimen, no procedures, no policies, no work instructions and standards? Egypt is allowing its monuments and tombs to deteriorate. Islamic terrorists are intent on destroying Egypt's heritage, like they did up the road.

Historical Egypt is under threat, History itself could be threatened. I am not suggesting the authorities install 100 dollar AC units in the tombs, I feel sure Egyt is easily capable of appropriating ten-million or two to ensure the best equipment is installed to the best standards, with all the best reports with all the best boxes checked.

Maybe there should be an elite guard of Medjay 24/7 in VoK. If Egypt are not prepared to do this, would they accept a foreign offer of assistance? complete with sponsorship and latest use of technology- all designed to aid foreign interest and motivate tourism?!

Just seems to me that neither I, or anyone I know wants to go to visit Egypt anytime soon. Egypt does not have the tourist dollars now that they had, the cost of upkeep for the monuments and heritage sites was funded by tourist dollars.

The real problem is the threat of terrorism. They have already taken a huge bite out of history, and Egypt needs to take measures to ensure the protection of their *(and the worlds) History. As I said, maybe they need the Medjay.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes, KV62. ...

Sorry, but KV 62 has with security no own power generator. The tomb is connected to the general electro-supply in the Valley.

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

EVERY NEW BROOM NEEDS TO SWEEP CLEAN

Nicholas Reeve's Tutankhamun Tomb and Nefertiti Burial Hypothesis remains just that, a hypothesis, for now at least. Carrots are being thrown, maybe he wants money? The vertical shaft idea seems to have gained some traction.

So, it sounds like results are inconclusive, all work on-hold. Every new broom needs to appear as though it sweeps clean, this new guy sounds ok, he's saying the right things, the proof is in the pudding as they say.

He's not going to allow ANY intrusion from Tut's chambers.

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/9/40/205859/Heritage/Ancient-Egypt/No-more-surveys-on-Tutankhamuns-tomb-until-project.aspx

The article Lutz referenced on him (new guy) in the misc.section is also interesting.
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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2016 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"2nd International Tutankhamun GEM Conference : Research, Technology, and Conservation" (Grand Egyptian Museum Cairo, 6-8 May 2016 - The Programme as PDF)

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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2016 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The programme looks good. Cant wait for what Hawass has to say. Although he has an ego the size of a Kafhre's feet, his conclusions sometimes appear to be very logical and sound.
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2016 3:40 pm    Post subject: missing fabrics Reply with quote

I was triggered by the segment about fabrics missing from the tomb. Does it mean pieces were stolen/have gone missing or that they simply were never found in the tomb. If it's the last option than the idea of additional undiscovered store rooms belonging to the tomb becomes more likely.
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I was triggered by the segment about fabrics missing from the tomb. Does it mean pieces were stolen/have gone missing or that they simply were never found in the tomb. ...

See : "Egyptian Dreams Forum Index -> Evidence from Amarna -> Nicholas Reeves : The Burial of Nefertiti? (2015) -> Thu Nov 05, 2015 11:34 pm".

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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2016 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Archeologists Clash in Egypt Over King Tut Tomb Theory" (ABC News - The Associated Press CAIRO, May 8, 2016, 10:20 AM ET)
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"Archeologists clashed at a conference in Egypt on Sunday over a theory that secret burial chambers could be hidden behind the walls of King Tutankhamun's tomb. ...

... Antiquities Minister Khaled el-Anani, who attended the conference, said that scans of the tomb would continue in line with the group's recommendations, but that no physical exploration would be allowed unless he was "100 percent sure there is a cavity behind the wall.""

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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2016 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nigel Fletcher-Jones (Director of The American University in Cairo Press) allowed Jane Akshar to take over his report from Facebook :

"Personal Notes from Tut Conference Yesterday" (Luxor News - Jane Akshar, 08.05.2016)

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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2016 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Via EEF ...

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Ministry of Antiquities, Press Release:

Outcomes of the Second International Tutankhamun Conference

“It is essential to perform more scans using other devices at the Tutankhamun Tomb (KV62) at the Valley of the Kings-Luxor using more technical and scientific methods and radar devices” is one of a number of recommendations reached at the end of the Second International Tutankhamun Conference that was held today (May 8th 2016) at the National Museum of Egyptian Civilization (NMEC).

Antiquities Minister Dr. Khaled El-Enany emphasized at the open scientific discussion that came at the end of the conference that no drilling will be done at the tomb walls unless we are 100% certain that there is a cavity behind them. Egyptology and radar experts participated in the final session, among them former antiquities ministers Dr. Zahi Hawas and Dr. Mamdouh Eldamaty, the Japanese radar expert Prof. Watanabe, Dr. Yaser El-Shayeb from the Faculty of Engineering, Cairo University and a number of Egyptian archaeologists and stakeholder.

In his lecture, former Antiquities Minister Dr. Zahi Hawas said that radar scan is not sufficient alone to make a new archaeological discovery stressing that he is against the British scientist Nicholas Reeves’ hypothesis that Queen Nefertiti’s tomb exist behind that of King Tut’s. Hawas added that a scientific committee consisting of archaeologists, radar experts and remote sensing experts should be formed immediately to supervise the works inside the tomb.

Former antiquities minister Dr. Eldamaty also gave a lecture entitled “the Rediscovery of the Tutankhamun Tomb” in which he summed up all the work steps that have been made at the radar scan project at the Golden Pharaoh’s tomb, expressing that the results reached so point out that there is a 50% possibility of a cavity behind the Tomb walls.

In a related context, Dr. Tarek Tawfik – General Supervisor on the Grand Egyptian Museum (GEM) Project added that among the recommendations of this conference came the formation of an Egyptian Archaeological Committee with the assistance of foreign experts aiming at drawing a road map for the transfer process of the Golden Pharaoh’s fragile artifacts that are sensitive to light and motion. Also the Tutankhamun’s Research Center that was established last year will be provided with a web channel to publish all the researches and studies related to the Boy King.

(c) Ministry of Antiquities, Press Office (Asmaa Mostafa, Transl. by Eman Hossni)


From the press...

"Egyptologists differ on existence of 'hidden chambers' in Tut tomb" (The Straits Times - 08.05.2016)

"Archeologists clash in Egypt over King Tut tomb theory" (The Washington Post - AP, 08.05.2016)

Concerning the subsequent discussion...

"Experts clash over theory that Tutankhamun’s tomb holds Nefertiti remains" (Ahram Online - Nevine El-Aref, 08.05.2016)

"The scans are in and the jury is still out on Tutankhamun's tomb" (Nile Magazine - Jeff Burzacott, 08.05.2016)

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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2016 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hawass'so option on anything to do with Reeves should be taken with a grain of salt. After past problems between them and Hawass's ego nothing Reeves does will be backed by Hawass. The radar scans go from definitely showing something to 50%probability in one press conference. I do agree nothing should go through the burial chamber but a small drill hole from the treasury or from above the tomb damages little if anything. Do the tests but you can never be 100%sure
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2016 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's about having the 'nuts', nothing more. Probable, possible, perhaps... nothing happens until someone DIGS/drills/breaks. All else is politics...
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2016 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/05/160509-king-tut-tomb-chambers-radar-archaeology/

Sounds like they are all arguing and fighting, hey ho! - as I said it's all politics and science has taken a back-seat. Just drill a hole and send in a camera from above (without damage to Tut's tomb) and put us all out of our misery... NOTHING serious can happen until a hole is drilled, period.
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2016 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just drill a hole and send in a camera from above (without damage to Tut's tomb) and put us all out of our misery...


I agree this would be the most satisfying, but it's likely one of those things that "isn't that simple."
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Just drill a hole and send in a camera from above (without damage to Tut's tomb) and put us all out of our misery...


I agree this would be the most satisfying, but it's likely one of those things that "isn't that simple."


It makes sense that they don't want to drill through from Tut's room(s), I'm all for avoiding that- but from above, accurately and precisely positioned, *very easy with technology*, and everyone wins. Heck you or I probably wouldn't even notice a 1/8-inch hole in our own ceilings.

There is either something there or there is not. Tests need to be conducted and the ONLY conclusive test without breaking walls from Tut's side, is for a precision drill/bore straight down.

It could be done in less than one-day. Period.

See, when you think about it, and look into it, there is actually NOTHING complicated about drilling/boring from above. It is the (obvious) test to use, unless some folks keep on insisting that we have near absolute proof BEFORE doing ANYTHING.

The PROOF comes from the test. Then they can decide what to do...

On the other hand, if there is any current info coming out of Egypt about why they cannot drill down, I would be very interested. I have not heard anything like this.
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