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DNA and mummies KV35YL and KV55
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did not read the book, but maybe it is for one or the other here Cool of interest (?) ...

M. Traugott Huber : Who was the Father of Tutankhamun?. - Norderstedt : Books on Demand, 2016. - ISBN : 9783741291616. - 204 p., 63 figs [plans, tables, ills (mostly colour)] :

OEB 241743 :

Based on the archaeological records of Flinders Petrie ( 1894 ) (OEB 147222), Norman de Garis Davies ( 1903-8 ) (OEB 137916), and Geoffrey Thorndike Martin ( 1974, 1989 ) (OEB 17832, OEB 28231), the genetic data of the Amarna royals by Hawass et al. ( 2010 ) (OEB 164421), and some other jigsaw pieces, in particular by Keith Cedric Seele ( 1955 ) (OEB 4866), Ronald George Harrison ( 1966 ) (OEB 11818), James Peter Allen ( 2008 ) (OEB 167033), Eugen Strouhal ( 2010 ) (not in the OEB), Kate Phizackerley ( 2010 ) (not in the OEB), and Nicholas Reeves ( 2015, The burial of Nefertiti?, Amarna Royal Tombs Project, Occasional Paper 1 ) the author argues that:

- Smenkhkare, not Akhenaten or Amenhotep III, was the father of Tutankhamun. The mother of Tutankhamun was Meritaten, not Nefertiti or Kiya.

- Smenkhkare was real, male, and the sole pharaoh of Egypt for one year. His facial illustration is famous, but many scholars misinterpreted it. His mummy is known since 1907 from KV 55.

- Smenkhkare was the younger full-brother of Akhenaten and the husband of his eldest daughter Meritaten; Meritaten's mummy is known since 1898 as KV 35YL.

- Tutankhamun had a sole wife, Ankhesenamun, who was the mother of the two fetuses from KV 62; Ankhesenamun's mummy was detected in 1817 as KV 21A.

- A separate Amarna Pharaoh Ankhkheperure Neferneferuaten did not exist. This was a new name for Nefertiti, who survived her husband by some four years and became the third Amarna pharaoh.

- Ay was the father of Pharaoh Ankhkheperure Neferneferuaten and the father-in-law of Pharaoh Akhenaten. Nefertiti's mother from Akhmim was a daughter or at least a niece of Thuya. Pharaoh Ay succeeded Tutankhamun because he was influential and the last male of the royal family.

- Ankhesenamun and Dahamunzu are one and the same person. She sent the letter to the Hittite King Suppiluliuma after, not before Ay's death. After an interregnum of 1 year, and likely two murders, general Horemheb violently acceded and founded the 19th Dynasty of Egypt.

- A new genealogy of the Amarna royals is proposed, which matches the historical facts and the archaeological records and conforms the available genetic data.

It is proposed to acknowledge

- Ankhkheperure Smenkhkare as the 2nd and Ankhkheperure Neferneferuaten as the 3rd Amarna pharaoh of Egypt.

- Smenkhkare as the father and Meritaten as the mother of Tutankhaten/-amun.

- Tutankhamun's 2nd wooden coffin illustrates his father Smenkhkare.

- The 18th Dynasty of Egypt ended with Pharaoh Ay, and the 19th was founded by Pharaoh Horemheb.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:02 pm    Post subject: Tut's parents Reply with quote

While i think that Smenchkare is the best option as Tut's father i have to disagree with Meritaten as his mother. She may have been his father's Great Royal Wife and married the future monarch after his first wife and sister died. DNA evidence makes it clear that KV35YL is the daughter of KV35EL and the latter has been identified as the Great Royal Wife Tiye. So Smenchkare married at least twice. Once his sister who gave him a son and the second time to his niece who put him closer to the throne after his mother-in-law/sister-in-law and female line relative of his mother.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the book review, Lutz.

From Hawass et al, 2010 the KV21A mummy has a (16) allele at D13S317 and a (10) at D18S51. The KV46 mummies have (9,11,12,13) and (8,12,19,22) at these locations.

If KV21A is Ankhesenamun, KV46 female is Thuya, and KV46 male is Yuya, Nefertiti cannot be a daughter of Ay, son of Yuya and Thuya, and his full sister. Ay and a neice of Thuya is possible, though unlikely.

Barring error or mutation, of course.
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