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PostPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 11:53 pm    Post subject: Long egyptian names of kings and queens Reply with quote

I saw somewhere on this website the names of some Egyptian kings and queens and they were really long but they had familiar names in them-there was one with Tutankamun in the middle of it and one with something that looked a bit like rameses. Are these the true names of the Egyptian kings/queens? Are the familiar names of them more like nicknames or abbreviated names? Or are they middle names or surnames? Or are they the names of completely different people? can someone explain what this name game is all about?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kings had up to 5 official names. The most commonly reported names are their horus/throne names and their personal names. The horus/throne names are the ones very often found on monuments and stelas.

Some (wellknown) names:
Horus/Throne name - Personal name
Maetkare - Hatshepsut
Nebmaetre - Amenhotep III (sometimes followed by Heqawaset = ruler of Waset)
Neferkheperure Waenre - Akhenaten
Nebkheperre - Tutankhamen
Setepenre - Horemheb
Menmaetre - Seti I
Usermaetre Setepenre - Ramses II

In the 20th dynasty most have double horus/throne names AND double personal names:
Usermaetre Meryamun - Ramses III
Usermaetre Sekhepenre - Ramses V Amenhirkhopshef I
Nebmaetre Meryamun - Ramses VI Amenhirkhopshef II
Usermaetre Setpenre Meryamun - Ramses VII Itamun

I think this is what you may have seen?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tutankamen/aten's name(s) can be written as follows:
Nebkheperure ( nb-xprw-ra) (Lord Of Manifestations Is Re)
Nebkheperure Heqa Maat (nb-xprw-ra HqA-mAat ) (Lord Of Manifestations Is Re ; Lord Of Truth)
Tutankhaten (twt-anx-itn ) (Living Image Of The Aten)
Tutankhamun Heqa Iunu Semai (twt-anx-imn HqA-iwnw-Smai) (Living Image Of Amun ; Ruler Of Heliopolis)
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The nome and pronomen of Ramesses II are a couple of my favorites, the names you most often see inscribed on his monuments:

Ramesses Mery-amun Usermaatre-Setepenre.

Some people think that's awfully long. Well, it seems the Ptolemies really got into this name thing. For instance, look at the nomen and pronomen of Ptolemy V:

Ptolemaios Ankhdjet-Meryptah Iwaennetjerwymenkhy-setepptah-userhare-sekhemankhamun.

Try fitting that on the family's annual Christmas letter!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reminds me of the clip I've seen of Lady Diana marrying Prince Charles - she gets his names confused. Laughing
Seems long names did'nt really go out of fashion for the royals
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember that flub Diana made Smile

Makes me wonder how often names were inscribed incorrectly in ancient egypt? Might account for the different spellings?
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