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The Sphinx = Sekhmet
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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... Though I have never seen a representation of a God with human head and animal body, besides the sphinx. Nefertum is close to this idea being a human head with the body of the lotus bush. ...

Where would you have seen such a representation of the god Nefertum? And, to save time, the well-known wooden figure from the tomb of Tutankhamun is not a representation of the god Nefertum. It identifies the young king with the sun god Ra, who was born from out of the ur-lotus, on the ur-isle (creation myths of Iunu / Heliopolis).

The earliest secured piece of evidence for Sakhmet is from the 5th Dynasty. It is a relief from the temple of king Ni-User-Ra in Abusir (see LÄ V - 1984 - Sachmet - Col. 324-325, Note 36 & 37).

The most representations show her with the head of a lioness and the body of a woman. The "Lexikon der Ägyptischen Götter und Götterbezeichnungen" (2002, Vol. VI, p. 556) mentions only a single representation from the Greco-Roman Period, in which the goddess appears as a lamentation woman with human head (and body).
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, ok. There is a picture accompanying the spell, "For being transformed into a lotus" showing a hieroglpyh of the lotus bush and human's head coming out of it. This papyrus picture was in the Book of the Dead. I assumed it was Nefertum. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
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Richard H. Wilkinson : The Complete Gods and Goddesses of Ancient Egypt. - London : Thames & Hudson, 2003. - ISBN : 0500051208; 9780500051207. - 256 p., figs., ills. (some colour). - Page 26 - 29 :



I have only the German edition as book, and the English edition only as a scan in this not so perfect quality. But I think it is readilable ...
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Cool, this is interesting to me. It seems like the only anthropomorphic body of an animal is the lion.
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dzama923 wrote:
... It seems like the only anthropomorphic body of an animal is the lion.

No.

Even if the shape of animal body with human head is certainly rare, there are also other examples. We see "Osiris, numerous of faces" sometimes with the body of a crocodile and human head (Coffin of Ank-rwtj, LP - 4th century BC, see Petrie, Hawara, Biahmu and Arsinoe, 1889, p. 21, Pl. II, today in Cairo and a small statue in Budapest, Museum of Fine Arts 51.329).

Also Sobek could be worshiped in this form (Nfr-rnpt, 19th Dynasty, TT 336, P.Brüssel MRAH E.5043). There are certainly other examples, if one searches ...
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Oh, I had never heard that or seen Osiris depicted that in this way. I have seen a little statue in the MET of a crocdile body with a falcon head.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, so a necropost is better than no posts, I think.

The Great Sphinx is unlikely to be a depiction of Sekhmet for all the reasons posted previously. Generally it is assumed that the face is that of Khafre, and it may well be, but does it mean that the Sphinx is Khafre? I doupt it, as while the Giza monuments seem to point to megalomania, this is a modern conception and ignores the extrememly strong religous nature of the site. Thutmose IV names it as Hor-em-Akhet, and ties in all the names of the gods that constitute all the aspects of the Sungod, Khepri, Ra and Atum, he at one point also names the Sphinx as Khepri. This, I would think, is a very strong indication that the Sphinx is a solar symbol representing the Sungod himself, not Sekhmet, or any other god, and certainly not Anubis.

That the Great Sphinx has a human head has, I think, distracted some people, particularly in thinking that the Sphinx represents Khafre. The face may well be that of Khafre, and if he built it then I guess some vanity could come into play in giving his face to a god. But it may not even be vanity, for hidden out of sight in the tomb, Osiris can be given the face of the deceased king, as we see very clearly in KV62, and it indicates that Tutankhamun is becoming one with Osiris. There is no sign of Osiris in the Fourth Dynasty, but I suspect that the Sphinx is Atum, and the face of Khafre indicates that the king is becoming one with Atum. This fits theologically and stylistically with a human head for a god on the Sphinx. Neither Ra, Khepri or Horus, except as the child Hor-pa-khered, are ever depicted with a human head, but Atum is, and amongst the variations in his depictions we do see him wearing a nemes, uraeus and beard. The Great Sphinx may have represented all kings joining with the Sungod, not just Kahfre, as G1 may have a wider purpose than just for Khufu, but's that's another matter.

Some think the Sphinx to be one part of the double lion, but the double lion is never alone, and there is no second Sphinx facing West. Atum is associated with the Western Horizon, and while the Sphinx is at the Eastern edge of the necropolis, it is most certainly in the Western horizon. Atum, in the Pyramid Texts, is associated with the pyramids.

While The original Sphinx temple is at the foot of the Sphinx and faces East, this is a natural layout, it fits in with the landscape. It seems that nothing else was built at the site until the 18th Dynasty when Thutmose I builds a temple just off to the Northern side of the enclosure, not over it, so he must have known the extent of the enclosure. This temple was built so that it lines up with Heliopolis, as does the temple built by Amunhotep II, with it's front entrance lining up directly from Heliopolis to the head of the Sphinx. Another temple built later, and now lost except in a few photos from the early 20th Century, also seem to line up with Heliopolis. The SW to NE diagonals of the three Giza pyramids align with Heliopolis, though I do not know if that is simply a product of their location and being aligned to the cardinal points, though I suspect a link to Heliopolis is by design, not coincidence.

Everything about the Sphinx points to it being a solar symbol, and few doubt this anyway, and that it is linked, like the pyramids, to Heliopolis. Given that it is not the double lion, Anubis, Sekhmet, Khafre, even with his face, or Xargon XI, ruler of the galaxy 40,000 years ago, only Atum fits, even though he is never again, as far as I know, depicted as a sphinx.
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