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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2022 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let me be more specific and take the DNA marker or locus D7S820:

If KV55 is Akhenaten and the YL is Nefertiti and Tutankhamun is their son--then his wife, Ankhesenamun, would have to be their daughter, as well, as we know from the archaeological record.

So, at that marker, Akhenaten has 15/15 and Nefertiti has 6/10. Those are the only numbers their children can get at that marker, D7S820, in some combination. Tut got 10/15--the 10 from Nefertiti and the 15 from Akhenaten. But one of Tut's children received 10/13 at the marker. The 10 was from Tut but no child of Akhenaten and Nefertiti, such as Ankhesenamun, could have the number 13 there and therefore donate it to her child.
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2022 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thatís assuming that KV35YL is Nefertiti, which can not be proven. The archaeological record does not support Nefertiti being a daughter of Amenhotep III and Tiye.
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2022 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

karnsculpture wrote:
Thatís assuming that KV35YL is Nefertiti, which can not be proven. The archaeological record does not support Nefertiti being a daughter of Amenhotep III and Tiye.


Not everything depends upon the archaeological record. People have used that, in the past, to argue that Amenhotep III was the father of Tutankhamen but DNA trumps all and has made that conclusion impossible. Previously I mention a "waiting game". One never knows what will come up. The archaeological record can shift. Hawass et al assumed KV21A was Ankhesenamen, but the DNA mandates that, if that mummy actually is Tut's chief wife, her parents are not the same as his. Nobody is "proven" there in that testing. It all hangs on those people found in their own tombs being who the stuff in the tomb says they were and that is a pretty safe assumption. One other one, Amenhotep III, was not found in his own tomb but had his name written on a coffin lid that did not belong to him. But only he can be the husband of Queen Tiye, so one thing proves the other. Then there is Occam's Razor. If Akhenaten's name is in KV55 and his unique epithet, "the perfect child of the Aten" remains on the coffin the male was discovered in, that can't be ignored. Especially if there is no mention of Smenkhkare in the tomb at all. The mummy is most likely Akhenaten and the YL is Nefertiti with the least difficulty because she fits to that queen in most respects. Nothing actually disqualifies her from being Nefertiti. Otherwise, like you did, one has to come up with a wife that the archaeological record does not support at all. Let us try to be consistent in our objections.
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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2022 10:46 am    Post subject: Tut's daughters Reply with quote

Though we only know of Achesenamun as Tut's GRW it would be unusual if she was his only wife. He probably had multiple wives and concubines as had every other Pharaoh.
So he could have had his daughters with one of his lesser wives. We may not know their names but considering that we don't even know his mother's name that does not mean the lesser wife/wives did not exist.

What we do know is that whoever the mother of Tut's daughters was, she was related to Thuya in a female line. Possibly descending from another daughter than Queen Tiye, Thuya's sister or a maternal female line relative.

The fact that KV55 cannot be the paternal and maternal grandfather of the girls only means that Anchesenamun was probably not their mother if you see KV55 as Achenaten. If KV55 is Smenkhkare than it is obvious he is only the paternal grandfather of the two foetuses so Anchesenamun could be their mother but even in that case it is not a given that she was.
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